Nuclear Throne
Solid 14 Sep, 2015 @ 2:03am
Survival Challenge
For another week Horheristo was dominate in his leadership of the challenge. However as challenges progress various individuals appear to be gaining in skill... I'm sure it's totally a fluke. I should also note that almost all the Strong Spirit/Rhino Skin runs were better than the runs without, but the difference is not too dramatic in most cases. I would like to see some reports from players on how many runs end early without Strong Spirit, however it may not be quite as OP as some people have claimed.

-Original Post-

Hello. For those who missed the update announcement I will now reference the important changes.
Originally posted by RamiRNG:
Balancing
  • Started sipping beer while trying to adjust loop difficulty.
  • Big one: You can no longer start dailies (and co-op) with a crown. 
  • Made it so that vans can spawn other vans.
  • Chicken now loses 2 max HP when decapitated. 
  • Nerfed Strong Spirit so it is now only refreshed when entering an exit portal.
  • Slightly less random enemies on loops. 
  • Had a third glass of red wine.
  • Tweaked the spawn sets for loops. 
  • Reduced the benefit of Rhino Skin down to +3 HP.
  • Less statues on 7-3. 
  • Made it so your own explosives will not trigger your own explosives.
  • Guardians behave a bit less chaotic on 7-3. 
  • Increased the size of vans.
  • [CLASSIFIED] with Chicken deals less damage when [CLASSIFIED]. 
  • Implemented the sound of a baseball hitting a bat for every time a melee weapon hits a 'grenade'.
  • Super Fireballers wait longer before attacking. 
  • Downed a series of cinnamon flavored shots.
  • Flies drop slightly fewer weapons. 
  • Realized the bat sound effect Joonas created was just a silent sound file.
  • Less HP for the Elite Inspectors. 
  • Reversed explosive weapons buff because they might be useful and created a random chance for the weapons to spawn their shots in a nearby wall and instantly kill the user.
  • Ultra Revolver costs more ammo but less rads. 
  • Started chugging rum and coke without any coke.
  • Super Flak Cannon deals more impact damage. 
  • Made ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ panic fueled flails resulting in the nerfs to Strong Spirit and Rhino Skin being redacted.
  • Created an alternate parallel universe inside of an IDPD van where the new van buffs are not in effect and where the game now takes place; made vans deal less damage to enemies to keep reality from imploding.
Before things get too far out of hand I think it might be worth our while to inspect some of the survival mutations.

The person who posts the runs with the most kills during a single player recording of a Nuclear Throne run before September 19th, 2015 will receive a game via steam (note the rules below).  Additionally any person who posts a videos doing the challenge while getting over 1,500 total kills in the current update will be offered a game. 

Run Specific Rules: 
  • Players must select Robot.
  • All runners must do 2 runs; one run with Strong Spirit and/or Rhino Skin and one run without Strong Spirit and Rhino Skin.
  • Use of the proto chest is prohibited until after getting into loop 2.
  • Players must start with Crown of Curses and have it active for the entire run.
  • Victory is based on total number of kills between both submitted runs.

Save Edits:  The guide on Steam for save edits is very helpful.  Additionally there is a mod created by 24gz with the blessing of Vlambeer that will assist in save edits.
Seeds:  The guide on Steam for seed edits might help.  The Nuclear Throne Wiki might also be of value.[nuclear-throne.wikia.com] 
Wiki: Weekly and monthly questions are on the wiki for the community.[nuclear-throne.wikia.com]
Recording Rules:  The run must be done with update 90.  After the run ends please leave the death screen up for at least 5 seconds so the kills can be confirmed; the kills during run will be determined by the death screen assuming it appears accurate and will determine who wins.  If the run is cut short the last visible load screen will determine the kills of the run.  The run must be done on a version of the game that all Nuclear Throne players have access to.  The video must also be view able in the U.S. so that the run can be confirmed; strongly suggest Youtube or Twitch.  The videos must be embedded in responses to this post or have a direct link to the video in the response to this post.  Do not put any visual or time related edits, aka cuts, into the video during the duration of the run.  Overlays may be accepted as long as most of the game and UI are visible; Solid will intercede if there are any questions.  Audio edits and voice overs are fine.  If you pause or go afk during the run just leave it in the video.  If needed the run can be posted over multiple videos, but it must be apparent that it is the same run; no part of the run may be left out.
Player Win Rules:  Players can post as many runs as they want as submissions as long as there is no obvious spam; players are also encouraged to post their best runs even if they do not win.  If there is a tie I will give the win to the earliest unedited response to this post; it will be based on when the response is made through Steam and not when the video is made.  If the post is edited after I have seen the video in an unedited post then it will still be accepted.  Previous challenge winners can still win this challenge.  Members of the Nuclear Throne Dev Team and people associated with the Dev Team can win the challenge.  Whoever wins will have to accept their game through steam by using the friend system.  This means Solid will friend the winner to pass over the gift, no you are not required to keep Solid on the friends list after the exchange.  Winners may take their games and pass them on to other people.  The player who does the best in the challenge will be offered a game from Solid's inventory or a game from Steam worth $10 or less in the US. 
Additional Win Rules:  All runs other than the highest will be offered a game from Solid's inventory. The standard rules and dates still apply to all runs. The same runner can win multiple times.
Solid's Rules:  If there are any concerns or complaints Solid will have the final say.  The rules for the challenge are subject to modification within the first 24 hours.
Dates:  The official end time for responses to this post will be at 11:59 pm on Friday, September 18th, 2015 (right before it becomes September 19th, 2015 ) based on the GMT time zone.  However Solid is a stupid American and MAY accept runs that are posted shortly after the posted time.  Solid should claim the victor and try to contact them around September 19th, 2015.

Top Standard Run
Horheristo; Kills: 2775 + 2617 = 5582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pJjsc1ENo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDYL5WDVV7g

Top Stacking Run
Boss; Kills: 1425 + 98 = 1523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ99yh3Sk00

Data
Name
SS/RS
No SS/RS
Boss
1425
98
One eyed Joe
3184
1159
SecretPocketCat
1973
1332
Tommydestroyer
810
947
Horheristo
2775
2617
Spoon!
1347
1047
Qinji
1102
738

Post additional questions,
clarifications, and ideas in the comments.
Last edited by Solid; 18 Sep, 2015 @ 7:49pm
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January March 14 Sep, 2015 @ 3:25am 
Originally posted by Solid:
  • Players must select Robot.
  • Players must start with Crown of Curses and have it active for the entire run.
y u do dis
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 3:30am 
Do both of the runs have to be on the same video? Or can we have 2 videos for the 2 runs and sumbit them at same time?
SecretPocketCat 14 Sep, 2015 @ 7:28am 
Originally posted by White (boss):
Do both of the runs have to be on the same video? Or can we have 2 videos for the 2 runs and submit them at same time?
Well, I'd guess, that runs actually shouldn't be consecutive as I'd assume that stacking is rightfully prohibited and we should restart/kill ourselves between individual runs.
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 7:37am 
Originally posted by SecretPocketCat:
Originally posted by White (boss):
Do both of the runs have to be on the same video? Or can we have 2 videos for the 2 runs and submit them at same time?
Well, I'd guess, that runs actually shouldn't be consecutive as I'd assume that stacking is rightfully prohibited and we should restart/kill ourselves between individual runs.

Oh,is stacking REALLY prohibited? i did not see anything mentioning that in the rules.
Solid 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:13am 
You only need two runs with a total kill count of 1,500. The runs can be, but don't need to be consecutive. The runs can be in separate or in the same video. All you need are the two runs.

This 'stacking' is in the game, everyone has access to it, no cheating required, it is part of an official update... it may go against the spirit of the game, but I'm afraid it is legit.
Last edited by Solid; 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:24am
SecretPocketCat 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:18am 
Originally posted by White (boss):
Originally posted by SecretPocketCat:
Well, I'd guess, that runs actually shouldn't be consecutive as I'd assume that stacking is rightfully prohibited and we should restart/kill ourselves between individual runs.

Oh,is stacking REALLY prohibited? i did not see anything mentioning that in the rules.
I actually dunno, but it's my best guess. To be clear, I meant mutation stacking.
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:23am 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ99yh3Sk00

stacking mutations is fun.

BTW,hor if you are reading this(and i know you are) please skip to the palace of loop 1 of my first robot run.....its basically a mimic of your MUFASA LION KING MONTAGE......more than 10 big dogs ;-;


Also,for the people saying stacking is not allowed:

Solid: Actually... stacking is part of the game...
Solid: Rami did release this update...
Solid: It is very much against the 'spirit' of the game, but I think I have to count it.
Solid: I mean it's not cheating and everyone can do it.


HOR,QUICKLY,BEFORE THEY PATCH IT,STACK RHINO SKIN AND BACK MUSCLE AND GOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGO.

Rami 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:33am 
I don't actually drink, but beyond that this seems relevant this week.
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by Rami:
I don't actually drink, but beyond that this seems relevant this week.

Rami,even if you don't drink,you WILL get drunk if you drink a load of mexican coca cola bottle's from the hotel room fridge.
SecretPocketCat 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:39am 
Originally posted by White (boss):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ99yh3Sk00

stacking mutations is fun.
...

Also,for the people saying stacking is not allowed:

Solid: Actually... stacking is part of the game...
Solid: Rami did release this update...
Solid: It is very much against the 'spirit' of the game, but I think I have to count it.
Solid: I mean it's not cheating and everyone can do it.
...

If it gets fixed before the challange ends will it be fair for those that tried the challange somewhat later? But it's upto Solid, our Saviour, same as the silly win treshold. 1500 is low even for scrubs like me... But hey, I got 2 decent runs I'm happy with, that I'll upload later.

As I was writing this, I noticed, Solid had added a category for stacking. That solves the problem quite nicely.

BTW. I'm not saying, stacking isn't fun. I totally love the possibility of super OP Melting runs.
Last edited by SecretPocketCat; 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:42am
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 8:42am 
Originally posted by SecretPocketCat:
Originally posted by White (boss):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ99yh3Sk00

stacking mutations is fun.

BTW,hor if you are reading this(and i know you are) please skip to the palace of loop 1 of my first robot run.....its basically a mimic of your MUFASA LION KING MONTAGE......more than 10 big dogs ;-;


Also,for the people saying stacking is not allowed:

Solid: Actually... stacking is part of the game...
Solid: Rami did release this update...
Solid: It is very much against the 'spirit' of the game, but I think I have to count it.
Solid: I mean it's not cheating and everyone can do it.


HOR,QUICKLY,BEFORE THEY PATCH IT,STACK RHINO SKIN AND BACK MUSCLE AND GOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGO.

If it gets fixed before the challange ends will it be fair for those that tried the challange somewhat later? But it's upto Solid, our Saviour, same as the low win treshold. 1500 is low even for scrubs like me... But hey, I got 2 decent runs I'm happy with, that I'll upload later.

Was my first try anyways,just want me game and all.
Pink 14 Sep, 2015 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by White (boss):
HOR,QUICKLY,BEFORE THEY PATCH IT,STACK RHINO SKIN AND BACK MUSCLE AND GOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGO.

How about I win this challenge without SS and Rhino, and without stacking nonsense either.

You guys can have the headstart, and understand once and for all who needs training wheels and who doesn't :thumb:
Last edited by Pink; 14 Sep, 2015 @ 9:47am
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 9:55am 
Originally posted by horheristo:
Originally posted by White (boss):
HOR,QUICKLY,BEFORE THEY PATCH IT,STACK RHINO SKIN AND BACK MUSCLE AND GOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGO.

How about I win this challenge without SS and Rhino, and without stacking nonsense either.

You guys can have the headstart, and understand once and for all who needs training wheels and who doesn't :thumb:

Your choice,i never found these challenges competitive or anything,i just find them as a source for getting freem games :3

Good luck! no hard feelings.
Boss Cipher% 14 Sep, 2015 @ 9:57am 
Oh also,i guess solid might want to know my opinion on the matter of rhino skin and SS(i did talk about it in the vid but not as much).

Rhino skin needs NO CHANGE,i remember people complaining that it wasn't that good before but now they learned how good it can be and want it to be nerfed...i do TRULY think its fine and needs no changing.

SS does need a nerf,ovbiously. Why did it even get buffed so it can take stacked damage to begin with? Odd vlambeer logic,community shouting that mutation is OP,buff it.
Solid 14 Sep, 2015 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by White (boss):
Oh also,i guess solid might want to know my opinion on the matter of rhino skin and SS(i did talk about it in the vid but not as much).

Rhino skin needs NO CHANGE,i remember people complaining that it wasn't that good before but now they learned how good it can be and want it to be nerfed...i do TRULY think its fine and needs no changing.

SS does need a nerf,ovbiously. Why did it even get buffed so it can take stacked damage to begin with? Odd vlambeer logic,community shouting that mutation is OP,buff it.
Originally posted by Rami:
I don't actually drink, but beyond that this seems relevant this week.
Originally posted by White (boss):
Rami,even if you don't drink,you WILL get drunk if you drink a load of mexican coca cola bottle's from the hotel room fridge.
Are you suggesting the sugar ferments in Rami's system and results in questionable changes to the game?
Last edited by Solid; 14 Sep, 2015 @ 11:08am
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