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八奈見杏菜 10. März 2024 um 7:53
USF are weak in both early game and late game.
Especially against OKW. USF don't have good options to deal with early game Kubel and Sturmpioneers. And since Riflemen can't build sandbags for cover, while their DPS aren't sufficient, USF struggle to deal with elite infantry blob in late games. Sherman are good versus infantry, but their capacity against armor is almost equal to T34, then Panzer IV can be a problem. (M1 57mm have only 1/3 chance to penetrate Panzer IV J, without HVAP) These factors would cause USF suffer heavy MP loses, which eventually leads to failure of the game. Even if USF happen to survive to very late game, Konigstiger or multiple Panthers would give it a devastating blow.
I'm generally talking about a 3v3 or 4v4 game. USF perform relatively good in 1v1 game due to their better light vehicles and mobility.
I think some comments would mention how OP Pathfinders and M8A1 Scout are. Well, I would say Pathfinder tactic is a compromise to the vulnerabilities of USF itself. I don't like playing Pathfinders either but the fact is Riflemen cannot win most fights, even with Bar upgrades. M8A1, meanwhile, needs LOS and support weapon to maximize them.
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八奈見杏菜 10. März 2024 um 7:55 
M1 57mm have 1/2 chance to penetrate Panzer IV Ausf.J :retreat:
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OutsidR 10. März 2024 um 12:38 
Try Airborne USF.
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Tiger 131 10. März 2024 um 13:20 
maybe you should try coh 3 in that they are seriously OP especially the riflemen equipped with BARS
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CODGUY 10. März 2024 um 13:32 
Welcome to the CoH2 USF club. This faction got crapped on hard throughout the life cycle of this game. They made Riflemen the linchpin of the faction while while keeping their preformance garbage and their investment costs sky high. This is why you ended up with "BAR-finders" and "Scott-finders".

Airborne really is the only viable way to play USF since it allows you to skip Riflemen and get around the idiotic tech tree.

CoH3 Riflemen are what they should have been in CoH2.
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PADDY MAIN S.A.S 10. März 2024 um 14:10 
USA are useless. Brits are not far off and Soviets can only hold their ground until late game when all axis tanks are fielded, including panthers and tigers. Any thing allies have is all locked that can be used to help tech up and use against axis. I have said this many times the game is axis bias. You clamp down hard early game, but axis seem to have the ability to obtain many tanks early. Their tech is far better than allies have and it appear's they get it quicker. COH3 is far better then this game as at least allies have access to armour and much more tech.
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八奈見杏菜 10. März 2024 um 19:26 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von OutsidR:
Try Airborne USF.
Getting tired of playing Airborne :sleepyjill:
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DROPbear 10. März 2024 um 20:38 
back then 2016 to 2018. players ♥♥♥♥♥ about riflemen spam. and wehrbo ♥♥♥♥♥ about their grens and pzgrens are too expensive and 1 shot wipe. hence, what we have now.

also Rear Echelons are still by far the worst unit in the entire game.

since devs have move on, USF have at least bar-finders or m1919 meta
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THEGUARDSMAN 11. März 2024 um 10:43 
i am really not interested in those types of useless discussions, i am just here to express my sincere opinion on how this kind of trend is ironical as ♥♥♥♥, as someone who can play fairly well with all the game factions i always found lovely people incapability to understand each faction by themselfs (the factions) 90% of the time i see people complaining about determinated faction its clear that the true problem is that the faction just dont play like the person intend, just like the guy who complained about allies armor while brits of many examples have tanks like the good old Churchill and Commet, USF Jackson, etc etc, for the only reason it doest play versatile like german armor, but guess what? that's for serious of points that it makes it like that and one can ever argue that allie armor can have more roles than germans ones by variety alone;

In the end it can easily be resumed in: "Oh no this faction does not play like i want >.<" in as i stated 90% of the time, company of heroes 2 is a broked game and that's for sure, but i always feel people here complain for the wrong reasons as such
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八奈見杏菜 11. März 2024 um 21:52 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von THEGUARDSMAN:
i am really not interested in those types of useless discussions, i am just here to express my sincere opinion on how this kind of trend is ironical as ♥♥♥♥, as someone who can play fairly well with all the game factions i always found lovely people incapability to understand each faction by themselfs (the factions) 90% of the time i see people complaining about determinated faction its clear that the true problem is that the faction just dont play like the person intend, just like the guy who complained about allies armor while brits of many examples have tanks like the good old Churchill and Commet, USF Jackson, etc etc, for the only reason it doest play versatile like german armor, but guess what? that's for serious of points that it makes it like that and one can ever argue that allie armor can have more roles than germans ones by variety alone;

In the end it can easily be resumed in: "Oh no this faction does not play like i want >.<" in as i stated 90% of the time, company of heroes 2 is a broked game and that's for sure, but i always feel people here complain for the wrong reasons as such

I think we both trying to be objective. But the truth is USF are playing a awkward role, I've seen high rank (appro. Rank18) players playing USF, but when I asked them for tips, they just told me "Play Airborne or leave this faction". A nicely designed faction ought to be playable with different tactics and doctrines, that's not what USF doing however.
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八奈見杏菜 11. März 2024 um 21:56 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von DROPbear:
back then 2016 to 2018. players ♥♥♥♥♥ about riflemen spam. and wehrbo ♥♥♥♥♥ about their grens and pzgrens are too expensive and 1 shot wipe. hence, what we have now.

also Rear Echelons are still by far the worst unit in the entire game.

since devs have move on, USF have at least bar-finders or m1919 meta
Rear Echelons are the only unit which I wouldn't be mad if I had lost them ;) That's quite a favorable point.
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Franss the Coffee Addict 12. März 2024 um 5:54 
I still remember a year ago i decided to try to have a game of 4v4 against expert usf bots.

At some point they rolled the priest artillery to the front. basically just came to say hi and proceeded to get pak'd. At that point I realized the AI doesnt know how to play USF
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Grahf 12. März 2024 um 11:16 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Franss the Coffee Addict:
I still remember a year ago i decided to try to have a game of 4v4 against expert usf bots.

At some point they rolled the priest artillery to the front. basically just came to say hi and proceeded to get pak'd. At that point I realized the AI doesnt know how to play USF

The AI in this game on any mode don't understand how to do anything besides giving the enemy free weapons and support weapons and tanks and light armor lol....
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zaku49 15. März 2024 um 6:19 
The thing with 4v4 the smallest weaknesses/balances in a faction become major ones. The USF are the hardest faction to play in 4v4, and even if you are play them correctly you're still going to struggle. The only ones worth playing are the Brits or Russians. The USF need a buff for sure.
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Das Flughoernchen4 15. März 2024 um 11:04 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von zaku49:
The thing with 4v4 the smallest weaknesses/balances in a faction become major ones. The USF are the hardest faction to play in 4v4, and even if you are play them correctly you're still going to struggle. The only ones worth playing are the Brits or Russians. The USF need a buff for sure.

imagine you think us is harder to play than brits. there is a reason brits dont get played in professional play. to be honest, both western front faction are strong. maybe not as consistent as the original two, wich leads to sovs and ost being played the most in top play but the western front factions both got some really op options(pathfinders, pazerfusiliers) and are even without commaders very good.
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八奈見杏菜 15. März 2024 um 21:46 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Das Flughoernchen4:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von zaku49:
The thing with 4v4 the smallest weaknesses/balances in a faction become major ones. The USF are the hardest faction to play in 4v4, and even if you are play them correctly you're still going to struggle. The only ones worth playing are the Brits or Russians. The USF need a buff for sure.

imagine you think us is harder to play than brits. there is a reason brits dont get played in professional play. to be honest, both western front faction are strong. maybe not as consistent as the original two, wich leads to sovs and ost being played the most in top play but the western front factions both got some really op options(pathfinders, pazerfusiliers) and are even without commaders very good.
I don't see many op options from USF. OKWs can build obersoldaten, panzer jager IV(so ridiculous when veteran), panther, and konigstiger (I'm not even counting doctrinal units), but USF? Look at that Riflemen, Sherman, M36 and M8A! combination, they are way weaker. BTW USF are also the worst faction at the beginning of the game, struggling to deal with Kubel.
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