religion and politics often make some people lose all perspective and give away to ranting and racing and carrying on like emotional children like and you refuse to discuss it with reason or else they prefer argument and Muhammadan which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion well anyhow not long ago i was talking about the elections and how the campaign were ignoring the issues and sticking instead to infective and personal crap that had nothing to do with the substantive problems of running a government which is all true as you know if you followed the speeches and so called debates at the candidates anyhow one of the guys i was talking with said not a word in the whole conversation except at the end when he suddenly chuckled and said we were all full of ♥♥♥♥ and why didnt we go live in russia or china if that was the way we all hated the usa next thing you know the whole blooming discussion was more like a brawl and the epithets blew thick and fastened the noises incredible someone said ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and i think he said bastard i couldnt be sure it was also confusing well anyhow i was attempting to get it all back on a rational level like right for example to talk to the one who had started it all and i asked him just what did he mean we were all full of ♥♥♥♥ was he making a statement the fact that he knew it and where was his documentation to back up his claim i think socrates would have been proud of the way i refuted his argument that is i tried to refute it but all he could offer by way of rebuttal was more of the same about how we were all full of ♥♥♥♥ that he wouldnt say why he just kept on repeating it that and the part about russia and china and communist doops and all have to confess that i got a bit angry and told him to stuff his ideas at THIS switch you dont have to tell me he is hardly a way to convince anyone in an argument then he got salty and threatened to give me a punch in the mouth if i didnt shut up and i really got hot in the air