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royba607

2024年10月9日 5時09分

Are traits balanced?

I've been trying to complete difficulty 15 with all characters, and I like to try to beat it with traits that I haven't completed runs with yet.
During this I've noticed that it's about a 50/50 with which traits I will consistently lose or win.
I can have tier 4 units before the first boss with some traits and get crushed while easily winning with tier 1-2 of other traits.
Am I playing them wrong or do other people experience the same with the following:

Traits I always lose with:
-Bug
-Orc
-Reptile
-Ghoul
-Shroom

Traits that are basically a free win:
-Healer/solar
-Demon (most matches I won't even need to activate the trait)
-Beast
-Delver
-Skeleton (most matches they don't even need to die and revive)

There are some others, but these are the ones I can name off of the top of my head.
Traits in general seem to have rather extreme balance issues, at least in PVE.
A trait can be strong by itself or the units in a trait are weak/strong (like bug/orc has extremely weak 1 cost units)

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kuroneko

2024年10月11日 7時02分

I haven't gotten as far but I noticed that I really need to work harder on some traits like pairings to maximise the synergies:

4xShroom + 2xMage
2x Shroom + 4xDragon
Orc + Vanguard
etc

or build 1 carry frontline Bug unit to always get the Swarm bonus (I put it on the duelist brawler one and it absolutely wipes the whole board).

最近の変更はkuronekoが行いました; 2024年10月11日 7時03分

royba607

2024年10月11日 7時21分

I'm also mostly stuck on just 2 tacticians since I've beaten 15 for the rest.
Might also be that the tacticians are just very weak, I've been haven little success with them even when going for stronger traits.
I do try to mostly go for synergies among the traits, trying to fit another species in that also works with some classes of my main species.
So far I've noticed that it's more a balance problem between specie vs class, for instance brawler tends to be a win almost garuanteed, so did mage, duelist, healer, archer,.... And focussing on species seems weaker at least before stage 2-3

royba607

2024年10月13日 7時21分

So basically I've found out that traits are semi balanced, there are traits that are slightly weaker or stronger overal but nothing groundbreaking.
I've noticed that if I switch to other tacticians, winning is a lot easier.
Because Brax is the main issue, Brax is extremely underpowered compared to other tacticians at the least on stage 1.

Completed every tactician to diff 15 now, except Brax, can't even get past the first boss with 4 tier units.
She has literally 0 ways to make units stronger and mostly relies on "economy based traits", sadly you can't really get to late game fantasies like selecting a double level up when you die before level 2-3

Vadalken

2024年10月21日 3時48分

Brax is bad. You can draft tacticians where for every selection you have infinite rerolls. So you can essentially just create a tactician with whatever abilities you want. I don't think it is possible to make one worse than vanilla Brax.

When playing as Brax you need to get lucky.

royba607

2024年10月21日 4時24分

Vadalken の投稿を引用：
Brax is bad. You can draft tacticians where for every selection you have infinite rerolls. So you can essentially just create a tactician with whatever abilities you want. I don't think it is possible to make one worse than vanilla Brax.

When playing as Brax you need to get lucky.

Yeah, I'm basically stuck trying to get 15 diff on her as long as every other tactician combined.
Guess not having actual combat buffs really hurts, and the buffs and specialisations she has aren't even great or fun

PrinnyGod

2024年10月30日 7時43分

I have 15 difficulty on all chars and plenty of extra runs just for fun. I think the traits are semi balanced, but you have to understand some traits lead into better build combos, so your unit and equipment choice matter way more to fully utilize them. Some of the stronger traits I don't think are really that much stronger they are just easier to utilize with virtually any team. It isn't enough to just stack trait bonuses if they don't work best with unit comp.

royba607

2024年10月30日 8時02分

PrinnyGod の投稿を引用：
I have 15 difficulty on all chars and plenty of extra runs just for fun. I think the traits are semi balanced, but you have to understand some traits lead into better build combos, so your unit and equipment choice matter way more to fully utilize them. Some of the stronger traits I don't think are really that much stronger they are just easier to utilize with virtually any team. It isn't enough to just stack trait bonuses if they don't work best with unit comp.

Yeah, it was mostly just Brax being really really bad. Took as much time to get a win on her on 15 as it took me to get from 0-15 difficulty and beat it on every other tactician.
My girl needs insane buffs. Luckily I have 15 on everyone now.

CeBrudras

2024年10月30日 8時19分

Brax has been performing fine for me on 15. Monk is super strong and Farmer also has two decent paths.

Regarding Traits: Ghoul, which the first post mentions as being bad, is actually one of my most consistent paths to victory. It requires a banner or a Slogurk since some of the units are iffy, but Ghoul 4 represents sooo much tank and damage.
Reptiles is similar, but there it's important to realize that Reptile 5 isn't that much stronger than Reptile 3 or 4, so it's not the best trait to fully focus on.